One More Reason Referendums Suck: The Swiss Vote to Ban Minarets

11/30/2009 8:58 AM |

Swiss minarets

The friendly people of Switzerland are pretty damned scared of Muslims—which is why they’ve decided to ban the minaret! No more will spiky towers haunt the tender dreams of apple-cheeked milk maidens or cuckoo clock makers, thanks to the Swiss People’s Party concern that Switzerland is on the cusp of Islamofication [pictured at right, one of their Fascist-y posters]. This fear is perfectly reasonable and has nothing to do with populist opportunism, particularly when you consider the following numbers:

Muslims make up about 6% of Switzerland’s 7.5 million people… Fewer than 13% practice their religion, the government says, and Swiss mosques do not broadcast the call to prayer outside their buildings.

What’s 13% of 6% of 7.5 million? A TERRIFYING BURGEONING CALIPHATE IN OUR MIDST, that’s what. Fuck you people of Switzerland! But mainly, fuck you plebiscites, referendums and all other forms of direct democracy! Because what the hell is the point of civilization if you can’t protect the rights of the minority against the whims of the majority?

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  • Islamophobia Lands in Switzerland – interview with Ulrich Schluer http://www.vjmovement.com/truth/485

  • Fuck yourself idiot! Muslims are still free to practice their own religion in Switzerland and they can still build mosques.

    Direct democracy may have its disadvantages but it’s still WAY better than any other political system. Go fuck yourself with your elitist view that referendums are a bad thing.

  • Great Job. Someone needed to say that. Awesome write up. Keep it up.
    And to the freak above my comment. Fuck you!

  • Such a shame when you fascist multiculturalists don’t get your own way, isn’t it. Gosh! People aren’t tolerant of a racist, misogynistic, and homophobic religion and don’t wish to see the symbols of that religion in their own back yard. That surprises you?

    The unique privilege that the Swiss do enjoy is the right to overturn or propose laws which affect their lives.

    I bow to your clear intellect above that of the Swiss people. Clearly, you are in possession of ‘the truth’ and are far more well-informed about Switzerland and its values than the Swiss are.

    I suggest you learn a little more about Switzerland. A little research on your part may surprise you. The Swiss are extremely tolerant towards immigration (25% of their population comprises foreigners).

    Where they differ from us is that they don’t have a small number of arrogant, naive, and historically ignorant ‘liberals’ (a distortion of the term if ever there was one) like yourself dictating your views over the majority.

    For the record (and I’m sorry this won’t fit into your somewhat polarised view of the Swiss), the Swiss are well-informed because they are engaged in the political process. Do not confuse a rejection of your fervent love of multiculturalism with fear. The Swiss are far more objective. They see a clear undermining of democratic values and free speech in countries where your precious multiculturalism has thrived (Danish cartoons anyone?) and a resulting resurgence of the moronic far-right.

    The rights of minorities in Switzerland are protected. They have freedom of speech, religion, worship, sexuality and thought: unlike most islamic countries around the world. And you think that their values are compatible?

    I don’t give a damn about those posters. They are indeed moronic and for all we know did more harm than good. I do give a damn about little dictators like you who oppose a system which has given the world a model democracy, and yes, a tolerant country, with a high standard of living.

    You embody everything I hate about how undemocratic and complacent our society has become about its hard-won freedoms, happy to give them away to unelected supra-national organisations like the EU, and the only way you can articulate yourself is through swear words. Pathetic.

    Oh, and I found your reference to ‘apple-cheeked milk maidens’ extremely offensive and racist, by the way.

  • In ten years we will have a new referendum in Switzerland and then we will prevail as our numbers will be in the 4 million range. Just wait and see.

  • Yeah, lets hate democracy in action. Those pesky referendums.

    People shouldn’t have the right to vote; that needs to be left to the professionals.

  • The Eoropean continent is inherently prejudiced, racist and intollerent.
    Look at its history . It demonized, persecuted and virtually eliminated its own people but of jewish faith. While blaming the pogrom of genocide against the Jews to the Nazis, most European countries and even the churches colluded in the ethnic cleansing and massacres. The so called fear of Islam is simply a pretexr . It is the resurfacing of the dormant mentality from the crusade days and the 1930s. It is now time to turn against the Moslems after cleansing the continent of people of Jewish faith. this is the real face of Europe!M Shah. Afghanistan

  • Islam is a fascist political movement, not a religion. Do you think we would let people put up massive towers with swastikas? No! No symbols of oppression and violence belong in public. And the Islamists have the nerve to vandalize the party headquarters they disagree with. Islamism should be as banned as Nazism. It’s just as violent, anti-Semite, anti-Christian, oppressive, anti-intellectual, useless, and wrong as Nazism. It only has the veneer of a religion.

  • JTC – I applaud 90% of what you have said; I have due to the situation in this country been cast into the section of society as a Nazi racist scum. I would like to point out however I am not. I like the vast majority of the people who are in the situation I find myself in; are going to the right because, as you have pointed out our country has become ” undemocratic and complacent our society has become about its hard-won freedoms, happy to give them away to unelected supra-national organisations like the EU, ”

    I love my country and I spent 13 years of my life fighting for those freedoms; which this government and the leftist elite are quite happy to throw away. I did not fight for what is being pushed onto us. I have no issue with people coming to this country and wanting to better themselves and their families. However this government is letting all and sundry in and providing homes, food, mobile phones, health care all paid for by the public. I do not blame them for this as I would want to do the same. However I do blame this government; who are for the most part traitors to this country.
    You have to ask yourself why wont the opposition come out and state how bad things are. Can you remember any time in the past where an issue has been so close to the electorates attention; that the opposition have not used that ammunition to hammer the incumbent party (I would suggest there has never been such a time).
    You have to ask why is this the case.

    To get back on track; and in line with the Swiss; and their extremely democratic society; can you imagine what is going to happen if the political elite over turn this outcome. What does that say about the EU; it would go to prove that we are being herded into what the un-elected elite (cannot use the word political as politicians are elected) want us to do. Our own government is being ran by an unelected moron with a deputy who is nothing more than a common criminal (mandy)
    How bad do the ruling elite have to screw things up in society for these situations to exist.
    The EU countries are one step away from another Bosnia! I always said that I would only fight for this country again if things were to progress internally in such away that was the only route. I do feel that we are not that far away from such a situation. The morons that you have described quite eloquently above will be one of the first victims hopefully to fall foul of their actions.

  • Ahmed – it is precisely that attitude that has caused this situation you pathetic fool!

  • >People aren’t tolerant of a racist, misogynistic, and homophobic religion and
    >don’t wish to see the symbols of that religion in their own back yard.

    >I bow to your clear intellect above that of the Swiss people.

    I bow to the tolerance and intellect of Swiss too.

    >I suggest you learn a little more about Switzerland. A little research on your part
    >may surprise you. The Swiss are extremely tolerant towards immigration (25% of
    >their population comprises foreigners).

    And express their tolerance by enforcing majority centric, relegion specific laws.

    >Where they differ from us is that they don’t have a small number of arrogant, naive,
    >and historically ignorant ‘liberals’ (a distortion of the term if ever there was one) like
    >yourself dictating your views over the majority.

    Yes, history would have taught them the dangers of minarets.

    >For the record (and I’m sorry this won’t fit into your somewhat polarised view of the
    >Swiss), the Swiss are well-informed because they are engaged in the political
    >process. Do not confuse a rejection of your fervent love of multiculturalism with
    >fear. The Swiss are far more objective. They see a clear undermining of democratic
    >values and free speech in countries where your precious multiculturalism has thrived
    >(Danish cartoons anyone?) and a resulting resurgence of the moronic far-right.

    Political process = majority dictating their views onto minorities with no protection fot their rights. I hail the objectivity of Swiss population in banning the construction of a civilization endangering minaret in favor of human rights.

    >The rights of minorities in Switzerland are protected. They have freedom of speech,
    >religion, worship, sexuality and thought: unlike most islamic countries around the
    >world. And you think that their values are compatible?

    Yes the rights are protected as long as they comply with the majority view on what their rights are. Clearly, building pointy building is too risky to be allowed to a particular minority.
    Oh, and congratulations on comparing Switzerland to Iran and other oppressive states. Way to go for you guys.

    >I don’t give a damn about those posters. They are indeed moronic and for all we
    >know did more harm than good. I do give a damn about little dictators like you who
    >oppose a system which has given the world a model democracy, and yes, a tolerant
    >country, with a high standard of living.

    No you do my dear, you do. Your classic hypocritic statements amplify your views as a bigot in a closet waiting to come out and show up in your political and relegious bias.

    >You embody everything I hate about how undemocratic and complacent our society
    >has become about its hard-won freedoms, happy to give them away to unelected
    >supra-national organisations like the EU, and the only way you can articulate
    >yourself is through swear words. Pathetic.

    And you embody everything I love to laugh about how phobic and intolerant our society has become and how far we will always be from a true democritic civilization and true peace. The only way you can articulate yourself is by hypocrisy and pseudo-tolerant, pseudo-secular statements. Sad!

    >Oh, and I found your reference to ‘apple-cheeked milk maidens’ extremely offensive
    >and racist, by the way.

    Oh, and I found your reference to ‘arrogant, naive, and historically ignorant ‘liberals’ ‘ extremely ironic and laughable, by the way.

  • To mr ignorant ‘iceman':

    The swastika (from Sanskrit svastika) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (卐) form or its mirrored left-facing (卍) form. Archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates from the Neolithic period and was first found in the Indus Valley Civilization of the Indian Subcontinent. It occurs today in the modern day culture of India, sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol; it remains widely used in Eastern and Dharmic religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

    Despite this usage, the symbol has become stigmatized and to some extent taboo in the Western world because of its iconic usage by Nazi Germany.

    Its because of ignorant people like you that we have less peace and more wars.

  • Phobiaphobic – it is not I who have decided demonise the far right in using such terminology i.e. Nazi; nor will you find any reference in the comment I made to the sign to which you mention.
    So please; I would like to know which bit is causing you to make statements as you have.

  • Referendums are a way to shake up the status quo and the usual PC crowd that advocates tolerance to the point of appeasement. The Swiss devised a clever use of this tool in that it strikes down only a symbol of the political power that Islamists wish to assert, and not the right to practice the Islamic faith. Thus it is more about making a statement than about depriving anyone of their right to worship. It is a little dismaying, however, that it requires a change to a country’s constitution. That is my only reservation about this exercise of the right of the Swiss majority to influence their own destiny. Presumably, it is hoped that this serves as a wakeup call for Mullahs everywhere to clean their own house of militant Islamist demagogery, so as not to arouse the distrust and dislike of those outside your society. Of course, that will not happen, so the other consequential effect is to generate enthusiasm for continuing legal means of making Islamists and their symbols unwelcome. The Swiss are in a particularly good position to make this statement, because they have long been a business center and playground for the Islamist elite. Islamists appear to be engaged in undeclared global warfare with non-Islamic peoples. The Swiss, as a historically socially moderate and politically neutral people, are the ideal candidate to send the Mullahs a message that there are limits to our tolerance.

  • In ten years we will have a new referendum in Switzerland and then we will prevail as our numbers will be in the 4 million range. Wait and see then what we can do.

  • Hitler was elected in a democracy. It’s, um, sort of kosher to be critical of democracy when it invokes racist laws against small minorities. I don’t think that the Swiss are dusting off their pitchforks– but can you imagine a law in the United States where one small minority is disallowed an architectural affectation in their house of worship. I mean– it’s nuts.

    Then again– perhaps this is a belated response to Orson Welles in the 3rd Man– and Switzerland is on the cusp of a Medici-esque artistic explosion.

  • Finally, someone in Europe has woken up to the plague that is Islam. Congratulation to them for doing the right thing. Hopefully, France will stop the construction of the mosque in Marseille.

    Britain really needs a wake up call now. All of Europe, Canada and the US needs to purge the plague of Islam from its shores. When they start building churches in Saudi Arabia maybe we can rethink our thoughts. Until then forget it.

  • Switzerland is to this date the only country which has legislated same-sex partnerships through a referendum. Let’s wait for the Saudis to do the same.

  • @Phobiaphobic

    Just to put my views into context, I have spent my nearly forty years on this planet growing up predominantly in areas of high Asian populations in the UK – Keighley, Bradford, and the West Midlands. I currently live less than half a mile from a mosque. As a school child, I had Pakistani and Indian friends and I can not recall any racist incidents whilst at school.

    I have no problem with most minorities in this country. I believe that they do enrich our country. My neighbours are Asian and friendly, my children have friends of different ethnicities. I admire Sikhs in particular for their attitude towards their host country and would happily welcome all Ghurkhas with welcome arms. The way they were treated by our government (much to the disgust of the majority of Britons by the way – that would have been an interesting referendum) was appalling.

    I will make this very simple for you. I know it is difficult for you to grasp the possibility that people can reject racism (clearly my use of the term ‘moronic far-right’ didn’t make that clear enough) whilst opposing multiculturalism.

    I (and many other people I know) have personal experience of how multiculturalism has restricted my freedoms. I will give you three examples that come to mind immediately.

    1. I was not allowed to know the sex of my first child before her birth, due to the practice of certain minorities aborting female children. This has also been the experience of my friends.
    2. During certain times of year (usually around Eid or the end of Ramadan), we have to live with almost a month of fireworks being set off late into the night, almost every night, at a time when I have two children of school age and one baby who need to sleep. From what I can gather through BBC reports, this time of year terrorises the elderly and animals too.
    3. My brother is currently working as a teaching assistant in a secondary school. Children at his school fail to attend school on religious holidays when they are legally bound to do so under English law. This situation is compounded at another local school which now has a majority Muslim population and consequently recently closed entirely during an Islamic holiday because Muslim children didn’t attend. The non-Muslim children lost out on their right to an education.

    Apart from my personal view of the veil (an instrument of Wahhabism and a sad indictment of the ability of Muslim men to curtail their sexual urges), my country has seen an increase in honour killings against young women in particular who fall in love with ‘unsuitable partners’.

    This is against a backdrop of increasing multiculturalism. Concessions are made in one respect to accommodate other cultures, and then these boundaries are pushed further and further. When elements of a particularly anti-Western community, bent on destroying everything we believe in (I’ll give them the credit for at least being open about it) are happy to use ill-written laws from supra-national and unaccountable organisations (the ECtHR) to promote their agenda, and this agenda affects the human rights of the majority, some of us will try to stop this development using democratic means. Other, more impressionable people, disillusioned with our democratic system, will turn to the parties of the extreme right.

    I hope that helps you to understand my position a little better. My belief is that the Swiss have seen such developments in other European countries and that they wish to make it clear that they will not allow their values to be eroded (I hope my points above prove that my rights have been eroded, thanks to multiculturalism). The Swiss don’t fear ‘pointy towers’ in themselves – it’s the political statement that the existence of these makes. Remember, they are not threatening to ban mosques.

    For the record, I am not ill-informed. I possess a First Class Honours degree (which puts me in the top 1.5% of the British public in terms of education), have lived overseas, in Germany, France, and yes, even good old Switzerland (where I worked as an immigrant for one year). I have a good understanding of politics and history, am well-read, don’t feed my brain on a diet of conspiracy theories or gutter press. As you called me a pseudo-secularist, I’ll put you right – there is no ‘pseudo’ about it. I am an atheist and secularist. I used to be fervently in favour of a federal European Union. Having seen this organisation show little sign of democratising itself in the last 18 years (as I had hoped), I am now fervently anti-EU. There – that’s my cards on the table.

    You say “Political process = majority dictating their views onto minorities with no protection for their rights”. That is a distortion of the facts, and shows that you do not grasp that Swiss citizens (of all minorities) enjoy fundamental human rights. You are (as many extremist groups do) confusing human rights with the rights to do what the hell you like with blatant disregard for the traditions, laws and customs of your host country. Nor do you grasp that there is a judiciary in Switzerland and all modern democracies, which would not allow any laws to be passed which violated real human rights.

    You are right about one thing. Democracy does involve the majority dictating their views onto minorities. That’s kind of the point.

    Good work on your irrelevant response to iceman by the way. I’m impressed, as I’m sure he is, with your knowledge of the origins of the swastika. You are clearly well-read. You should really quote your sources though (Wikipedia in this case). From your comments here, you struck me as the kind of person who would peddle someone else’s views as your own, without looking at things objectively and thinking for yourself.

  • Let’s ban Islam because of fireworks. Let’s ban Islam because they take religious holidays (uh, like Christmas)… that is honestly the dumbest post I have read in a long time JTC. The banning of minarets is an unrepentant racist law. It’s got nothing to do with anything other than beating up on a minority. If you’re upset about fireworks– ban fireworks– that means christians, and everyone else can’t blow off fireworks either– but defending this referendum is idiotic. Why don’t they just throw Muslims out of their country and be done with it.

  • @El Guapo. The Swiss did not vote to ban Islam – is that clear enough for you? Somehow, you managed to read ‘let’s ban Islam because of fireworks’ into a perfectly worded response. I’m not sure what’s wrong with you – selective understanding of plain English? Or is it that you can’t cope with someone being against multiculturalism whilst not being racist?

    You fail to grasp the implications of every minority at a school in a host country taking religious holidays during school term time to suit their own faiths. You fail to grasp the fact that the setting off of fireworks in itself won’t be banned for fear of being insensitive to other minorities’ religious festivals. You fail to grasp that my rights (and those of my fellow citizens – of all colours and creeds) who accept the British way of life and live according to British laws and customs have been restricted due to a misguided doctrine of multiculturalism.

    Do me a favour and see Switzerland’s voting record in referendums and read a bit more about their history, and then come back to me and tell me again that you think they ‘beat up on minorities’.

    I defend the Swiss decision, precisely because it is a referendum, and therefore the will of the people, which does not impinge on anyone’s ‘human rights’. Sure, it stops them from building pointy towers, in the same way that planning laws in the UK stop me from building a large plastic elephant dung in my back garden. It doesn’t kill them, torture them, or even stop them going to a mosque and praying to their imaginary friend. Happy? You know what? – I think I’ll get by without my big plastic elephant dung too.

  • Do Muslims really follow Islam? For them, Islam is no more a religion, its a practice followed and used by terrorist group. The religion[literally word meaning of 'Islam']means peace which is not seen in any Muslim[ mind you its not bound to gender as the females are no exception'I am talking out of experience'.] The Muslims do not follow peace and thus they dont follow the religion thus they do not belong to it!!! Simple. They have horrible practices, lust, undying love for war and love to harm other human community irrespective of their religion. They keep growing in populations devouring our beautiful earth and its peace!! We have to stop their exploding population!! I dont understand where has anyone who is protesting against this found even a single Muslim who is a good human? They are like a destructive species thriving to finish the human community and to establish their own!! Every Terrorist is a Muslim is a well known fact!! Cant everyone see and understand that!! I wish the one who does not understand this suffers through their hands[not badly at all, just like a small incident experience] so that their eyes open for the truth.
    Even the word ‘Islam’ should not be linked while talking about the Muslims because the religion is ‘sacred’ but the people are not and such troublemakers should be banned from everypractice that helps them become more confident to carry out the horrible inhuman acts that they love doing!!! Thus such an act will ceratinly be good for the Human community at any cost!!

  • My money on JTC having an IQ ten times greater than El Guapo, and infinitely greater than Phobiaphobic (if that is at all measureable in itself!)
    Guys, you’re parking off in someone else’s country telling THEM what YOU can or can not do. Piss off back to your place and light off as many fireworks as you please, in your own pointy buildings, built buy your own people on your own land. You left your part of the world because things looked so muh better “over there”, now you’re trying to change “over there” into something like where you came from, carefree of how that affects the people who have been “over there” all the time, and have built said “over there” into a place envied by all.
    I know it sounds confusing, and you’re struggling to get your head around it at this time so let me be clear: fuck off back to your stretch of sand and leave the rest of us to ours.
    Idiots.

  • “The banning of minarets is an unrepentant racist law”

    Islam is a race? I guess Catholicism, Hinduism and Buddhism must be a race too. Who knew?

    Actually it is time for people to stop regarding Islam as a religion and start regarding it as a totalitarian political ideology. Funny how little outrage one sees about Saudi Arabian laws.

  • I totally agree with the idea that democracy must hold the rights of minorities AND majorities. If 57% of the Swiss actually voted for this decision, by all means it is considered a process of democracy. This however reflects poorly on their tolerance towards another particular minority. If this referendum is merely about the “architectural oddity” that minarets pose for the locals of Switzerland, then this also proves the point that the people who agreed to this referendum is prejudiced against the religion that requires this “oddity”.

    To Robert Mugabe

    All Muslims do not come from “stretches of sand” as you have so racistly put it as. If you want them to go so badly, make another vote for that as well. Then we shall see what kind of human being you truly are

  • I object to extremism on both sides – Switzerland is no different to many other countries who harbour both sides.

    What is fundamentally wrong about this is that an extremist policy has been accepted. I know this has building for some time.

    It is a political failure on all sides.

    From a personal point of view, as a UK born Muslim, I was seriously considering moving my family and opening a Switzerland branch to our business but we will have to reconsider.

    Whereas before the Suiss brand might have been glorious mountains, neutrality, chocolate, Federer, etc, … this development has turned the brand firmly into one of Islamophobia.

    That brand is one which myself, and more importantly, my clients would prefer not to be associated with.

  • Well…. these European muslims have fled their home country to escape the oppression of the islam. I am sure a majority of there swiss muslims would not care as a good 90% does not even practice as the blog says, the request for minarets in swiss must be the work of fundamental elements in the muslim community, I suppose swiss people did it right. And fellow European criticism is purely opportunistic, especially from France. In paris, muslims are repeatedly denied permission to build a mosque, if you are aware.

    If all of the muslim countries can ban eating food (thats it too basic compared to minarets) in public during ramzan there is absolutely nothing wrong in banning minarets, after all it is just minarets not mosques itself which is banned.

    Well.. I am a hindu from India where radical muslim proliferation and minority appeasement from the elitists like the blog owner is at it peaks. An incident near our village, were we have an ancient temple, the muslims bought up land very near to the temple, built a huge mosque and now they bombard the atmosphere 5 times a day with prayer calls in loud speakers!, why would they do that? Why we can not stop it in India? because the democracy does not work the same way as it is in swiss.

  • An eye for an eye shall make the world blind. The earlier we understand this the better for all of us. Except Saudi Arabia there are churches in most Islamic countries for your info. You cannot have a church in Saudi just the way you cannot have a mosque in Vatican. So why rake such dumb conditions to instigate the liberals & appease the radicals.
    Even a small animal is bound to attack once if pushed to the wall & here we are talking of people. Guys lets think & decide as humans & not like a christian, muslim, european, etc etc.

  • The Swiss want to have a say in their own country.
    The majority says no to certain changes , as these have other implications that they deem undesirable. Anything wrong with that?
    If some people don’t like that, I guess they can go and live elsewhere.
    At least the Swiss still have a say.
    At least those that don’t like Switzerland CAN leave if they wish.
    Get a bunch of radical Muslims clergy to make laws and see what happens ..
    Other countries would do well to follow Switzerland.
    Tolerate the mistakes of the innocent, not the plans of clever manipulators.

  • I just wonder how many Christian Churches these nice, friendly and peace loving Muslims will allowed to be built in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, ext. Really democratic guys these Muslims when it suits them.

  • http://ny1.com/1-all-boroughs-news-content…

    Just happened to see this over the weekend, somewhat related news.

  • I will voice concern for the Swiss Moslems – who are perfectly free to build mosques and practice their religion but simply cannot build some tall towers next to them and broadcast calls to prayer over loudspeakers 5 times a day – when I see concern for the Christians in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc. who cannot build churches at all, who cannot publicly practice their religion, who cannnot import Bibles, etc., and who are routinely murdered on the flimsiest pretext with no interference by the authorities.

    Moslems – clean your own house before you criticize others. Stop the murders of religious minorities in your own countries before you expect to see any changes in minor architectural restrictions on religious minorities in others.

  • Sajid, it’s true that there are churches in most Moslem countries. But that is a very misleading and self-serving statement. Most of the exiting Christian churches in such countries are very old and historic. What’s much more significant is what happens when you try to build a new one. Even if the laws formally permit it (which is often not the case), the people administering the laws in practice refuse to issue the permits and the courts ignore any attempt to appeal. And even existing churches are often banned from displaying any Christian symbols at all, even somthing as simple as a cross on the outside of the church. I challenge you to name a Moslem-majority country where the building of new Christian churches is *actually* permitted. The people enforcing the laws also do very little to nothing when some mob decides to tear the church down.

    Compare that to Switzerland, where there are 200 mosques and no one stops you from building another.

    And why, BTW, should the example of Saudi Arabia be passed off as insignificant? Saudi Arabia styles itself the guardian of Moslem culture. So it seems that the heart of Moslem culture is to be intolerant of other religions.

  • Adam09: a “phobia” is an irrational fear, a fear that has no rational basis. Take a look at the Islamic countries these days. Take a look at what is happening in how they deal with each other. Take a look at how they deal with non-Islamic countires on their borders such as India. Take a look at what Moslem minorities do in their host countries, such as in France and China. While very few Moslems are terrorists, most terrorists are Moslem. The “Religion of Peace” is at the center of most violent conflict in today’s world.

    Maybe there is fear involved. I don’t know. But if there is, I fail to see how it is irrational.

  • “Most of the exiting Christian churches in such countries are very old and historic.”

    Actually this is not true, Churches are built in Islamic country very often. In Egypt, in Indonesia, in Lebanon, Pakistan, everywhere. In Siria they’re building a new church, and the Christians dont even have to pay money: it is the state that give them money for building the church. In Siria the state gives money-concessions to christian churches to pay less for electricity and water. The only country where NEW churches are no allowed is Saudi Arabia. Which also rapresent a minuscule minority of the muslim world. Saudi Arabia has a population of only 28 milions. Muslims around the world are 1.6 bilions. Anyone who compares Saudi Arabia with Islam and Muslims in general is just plain ignorant. Ignorance is a bliss.

  • …And what about all the Jewish money? Give it back to the Jews!

  • All brothers and sisters of adam and eve ………..what u all people make engaged yourself in rubbish discussion ……please religion is not greater than humanity…just look the person by his/her deeds or actions not by his religion,race or region. ( common man )