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The L: One thing that seemed to keep coming up in reviews of those CMJ shows was that you played without a live drummer. Is bringing a drummer into the touring lineup something you’ve considered?
CC: We have a drummer! So we’re doing that, but it’s absolutely not because of any of the reviews. It’s just that he lives in another state, so it’s very difficult to figure out how he can be part of the band. But we’re trying. In general I feel like that most of the people who said we need a drummer don’t get what the fuck we’re trying to do at all. Like, they’re confused, and they think they’re seeing another band. I also think it’s really arrogant to tell people they need this or they need that. I understand the point of a review, but, I dunno, to me getting a drummer is like Dylan going pop in 1965 or something.
It’s just different now because we used to play for fucking nobody, and we never played shows for 700 people. I understand the point of filling a room with a drummer, but nothing in our lives is very easy to coordinate. We’re still unsigned, you know. We’re not on a major label. We don’t have real income coming in. It’s not like other bands in Brooklyn where you can live off your band. It’s not like getting a drummer or touring with a drummer is a cheap thing.
In general, [that’s] kinda the number-one thing I don’t like about New York—this really, really deep-seated capitalist mentality. It’s like, “Well, just spend more money!” It’s part of the reason why all the bands in New York suck: because they think all they have to do is just spend a little bit more money, and they’ll sound fine, which is the laziest, dumbest attitude in the world and why their bands aren’t good any more. It’s annoying when people think we’re from Brooklyn.
The L: Do you get that a lot?
CC: Yeah. That’s the whole reason why we’re going with a Midwest label. Night-People is based out of Iowa City. If you look at their roster of bands, it’s like the anti-Brooklyn. It’s way, way more interesting than what’s going on there. I have friends in bands that I like up there, but in general, I’m just like, “Dude, what the fuck is this?” That’s another reason why I want to communicate with “non-music” listeners. Because as a music listener, I’m fucking disgusted by most of what people are trying to pass off. It’s a time of singular bands. You can’t say that there’s a fucking scene that’s great or dominate. You can’t say any big city has the best “scene.”
It’s weird because it used to be you could go to New York and find tons of great shit, and it’s just not like that anymore. I don’t understand why. The biggest bands in the underground have all come from Olympia, Washington, or Providence, Rhode Island, or Tampa, Florida, or fucking Copenhagen, you know what I mean? None of them are from New York. None of the bands that people are covering are from New York. There isn’t anyone coming out of there. I hate that arrogance. It’s a really narrow-minded perception of how things actually are. But I’m a cynic and fucking hate everyone, so, you know. Maybe it’s my own fucking fault. [laughs]