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Re: “Nostalgia Is Alive for Marc Hundley

I thought hipsters were too cool for boring art?

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Re: “Internet Money and Post-Industrial Chic on Silicon Beach

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Re: “Inside the Internet Art Bubble

I'll never understand why some commenters feel so compelled to belittle others as they make their points. It's not like the comment would be any less valid were the comments phrased just a little more conversationally.

I don't know that anyone here would actually title the article "good art recognized as good", when I've made it quite clear that I think Cory's show was not good and the hype is the result of a larger public interest in the internet and social media. Ryan's work isn't bad, but it's receiving more attention because the internet is a public interest museums wish to capitalize on. This is stated pretty clearly in the piece (and I don't think it's any different than Schutz other than a medium that is particularly topical) but I realize that there are a fair number of people who find this whole line of thinking an utter waste of time.

Nico Muhly makes some good points in this regard and so do the commenters. Of course, they too are part of an ecosystem whereby commenters similarly patronize writers for playing into the system. We're all guilty of that from time to time I think (playing into the system, not patronizing), but since I've always enjoyed thinking discussing hype (for me it usually helps me figure out what I think about the work) neither Muhly nor the commenters here are likely to curtail future pieces on the subject.

For what it's worth, I don't think the piece is without flaws. David Edgar says the point's not clear enough and I think he's right. He's not right however to conclude there wasn't one. (This statement that reads as though it were drawn primarily towards the end of making a dig.)

As I mentioned earlier, I wanted to identify hype these artists were receiving and examine how it was generated and whether it was warranted. I think I did a fairly good job with Arcangel, but Trecartin could have been tightened. Had I done that, I'd probably still be dodging the mud slinging -- I have the feeling that virtually everything I pen is a hate-read for Droitcour -- but I would likely feel a little better doing it.

Posted by Art Fag City on 08/30/2011 at 5:53 PM

Re: “Inside the Internet Art Bubble

Well done for writing a sniffy article that just seems to resent good art getting recognition (good alternate title, Brian). You gesture towards possibly making some kind of critique, making little digs (mainly based on amount of "hype" they've generated though what they have actually generated seems closer to interesting dialogue, to me) but then trip up when it seems like you haven't really got a point at all?

Posted by David Edgar on 08/20/2011 at 4:32 PM

Re: “Inside the Internet Art Bubble

I agree with your tracing of their respective paths to museum-art careers.

With the title, I guess you actually mean "inside the internet-art-that-has-been-suddenly-reclaimed-by-museums" bubble. (I'm taking into consideration that there was probably a period in 1998 and 2000 when museums tried to incorporate/commission internet art) If it is about the growing trends of featuring current internet work in galleries, I'm wondering why it's not constant dullaart (for being a big internet formalist) or JODI instead. Maybe their work is not as easily adapted to spatial presentation and would be confined to the browser and computing device.

I also can't help but compare the two in terms of various kinds of Caucasian male art-master persona. Cory Archangel does high concept nerdy/nostalgic things with technology (processual with lots of verbal puns like Nauman). Meanwhile Ryan Trecartin rides the high camp, intensified low-tech video aesthetic (closer to Warhol). Both make work that is sort of irreverent, but relatable in a specific cultural context. I know I'm overgeneralizing when I say all this, but while CA and RT's work's entry into the canons might change the game in terms of content, the "brand" of artist that these museums are choosing don't differ too much from the types of postmodern masters featured in my "Art since 1945" textbook.

While Trecartin's work became popular on the internet at the beginning of his career, I feel that "the internet" is a theme that dominates readings of Trecartin's work when there are so many other ways to analyze it. But I'm sure his appeal isn't limited to the fact it is distributed on a social medium...

Posted by Jennifer Chan on 08/20/2011 at 1:02 AM

Re: “Inside the Internet Art Bubble

How can you make the claim that Arcangel's work is in any way affected by his "recurring struggles with thyroid cancer"? What grounds do you have for that? It's a cheap statement that does nothing for your argument but make evident that you're inclined to go for an easy, sensational statement over a more nuanced analysis of the work.

Posted by - on 08/19/2011 at 11:47 PM

Re: “Inside the Internet Art Bubble

Apropos of nothing, or perhaps of extreme relevance, I think people should check this guy out. He's a contemporary of both these dudes ( interesting work on both counts ) but hardly "known"...to the extent that I'm not sure if "known" is his goal. The things he does with technology are challenging, fucked up, and often beautiful:

http://mikrosopht.godxiliary.com/LSD

I think some of the mess in the art world has been the result of laziness from all sides, maybe it's time for curators and critics to go beyond trawling the web, or waiting for large envelopes from the next graduating class. Never trust anyone under 30?

Posted by pschase on 08/18/2011 at 5:40 PM

Re: “Inside the Internet Art Bubble

The headline could also be "Good Art Recognized as Good." How are these story of discovery, recognition, and good timing any different from that of a hot painter like Dana Schutz or Laura Owens? Is their technique "gimmicky" because it brings something new to the discourse about painting?

Also I want to voice dissent with your conclusion that Trecartin's work is bleak. Yes, there are plenty of dark and frightening moments, but there are joyous moments too, and the artist wouldn't use YouTube and Twitter if he despised them (in fact, he's expressed a positive attitude toward them in interviews and public appearances many times). People are still arguing over whether Warhol critiqued or celebrated consumer culture; Trecartin's work, like any important art, is ambiguous, and that's what makes it a rich experience that people enjoy.

Finally, before you ever again describe an artist's work as "overhyped" (especially when you have been a major contributor to that hype) read what Nico Muhly says about hype:
http://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/my-neck-my-back-my-haterade-and-my-cracked-phone/

Posted by Brian Droitcour on 08/17/2011 at 1:37 PM

Re: “Inside the Internet Art Bubble

I'm not saying it's bad - though of course Trecartin is overhyped. It's really just sad that a message as bleak as Trecartin's is celebrated as though he's just told us some great news.

Posted by Art Fag City on 08/17/2011 at 11:15 AM

Re: “Inside the Internet Art Bubble

Your final point about the work doesn't make for bad art. It's not about the content of the responses. I admire both of these artist's work, and don't think it's as internet-centric in the end as how you make it out to be. This is why it's good.

Posted by Tom on 08/17/2011 at 9:13 AM

Re: “Inside the Internet Art Bubble

Finally.

Posted by . on 08/17/2011 at 7:15 AM

Re: “Given Huge White Wall, Eighteen Street Artists Paint It Now

did the artists get a scaffold to work on?

Posted by fish with braids on 07/16/2011 at 7:40 PM

Re: “Is Conservation Killing Contemporary Architecture?

I understand the want for ease in creativity, but like all mediums, architecture is ever evolving. But like painting, you cannot abolish it's history, and therefore are never starting anew, on a fresh canvas. So suck it up architecture, your creative genius is purely dependent on the foundations of the past.

If anything, the new modes of architecture look hap hazard in juxtaposition to the efforts of the past.

Posted by The motion on 06/05/2011 at 2:19 PM

Re: “5 Art Stars You Need to Know

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Posted by Fatty Nips on 04/13/2011 at 4:54 PM

Re: “Inside the Artist's Studio: Ruby Sky Stiler in Gowanus

I can't believe no one's commented on how awesome this stuff is. What's a matter with you people?

Posted by John E. Sullivan on 04/11/2011 at 11:37 AM

Re: “Rirkrit Tiravanija Serves Food Art for the Soul

Excellent question. Perhaps for those who understand the relational aesthetics and it's history, Tiravanija's work may seem tired, redundant. However, because it is an experience and not an object, the work can only exist for a limited number of people -- and thus has the potential to be highly relevant for newcomers. Relational aesthetics as a movement then might have more endurance than most other artistic movements ...

Posted by allesebaker on 03/30/2011 at 11:32 PM

Re: “Inside the Artist's Studio: Angel Otero in Ridgewood

Waoo!!

Posted by Michelle leyva on 03/02/2011 at 4:00 PM

Re: “Deborah Luster and Carlos Vega: The Pleasures of a Great Two-Artist Exhibition

Definitely venture out to discover these two artists.

Posted by artemisp4f2d on 02/05/2011 at 3:41 AM

Re: “Lost Artist Tribes Found: Neon Coyotes, Bearded Men and Identical Triplets

They are beautiful art and social commentary. Definitely to be seen.

Posted by artemisp4f2d on 02/05/2011 at 3:38 AM

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