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Re: “Don't Move to New York

No, it's not a 15 year old article. You use to be able to find deals on raw space in Manhattan in a commercially zoned building for 150-200$ a month. Heat was shut off on the weekends, but hey. You could share a loft in Soho with 5 or 6 people for 200 or so a month, plus utilities. I found a rent controlled deal in EV for 400$ a month. What this article is saying is now such deals no longer exist but just a room sharing a kitchen in say a Chinatown is 600 a month, and that's rare. But wages at menial food service jobs have not risen, creating the squeeze. So people are living in New Jersey like Hoboken or moving to places off the NJ RR like the Oranges or Maplewood. Harlem is getting arty. But, like the article says with even LES getting stale or mundane, and Williamsburg/Bushwick not much different, and the fact like for a painter you can get keep up virtually via gallery web sites, the NEED to be in nyc isn't quite there for artists the way it was 20 years ago. So, it's not only don't come to nyc if you are a painter, it's more like you don't need to live there, just visit for a prolong stay periodically. And the art world becoming no different than a retail Tiffany's just adds to the sour taste.

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Posted by Hilary on 04/25/2013 at 4:51 PM

Re: “Don't Move to New York

You don't move here for the deals, you move here for the people. Move to New York. We're all still here.

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Posted by Julie Torres on 04/24/2013 at 8:33 PM

Re: “Don't Move to New York

Bogota is ok for a couple of days, but the pollution is horrible, the city smells like gasoline. Go to Cartagena.

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Posted by danny on 04/24/2013 at 6:31 PM

Re: “Don't Move to New York

Again? This is at least a 15 year old article. I have read dozens like it. You can do better L.

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Posted by humphreyindustries on 04/24/2013 at 6:04 PM

Re: “Don't Move to New York

I am actually moving out of New York. Looking for studios in Bogota. Come on, people, move here with me and we'll try to make this city the next Berlin:)

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Posted by Mira Alibek on 04/24/2013 at 5:28 PM

Re: “Don't Move to New York

Interesting you say this with the fact that NYC has been gaining population overall.You shouldn't put too much on what you hear from MICA grad's, unless they are Hoffberger painting students. MICA, once a backwater school with all eyes on NYC, has recently had a makeover with an aggressive fund raising administration aiming the curriculum toward anime, manga, CGI and gaming graphics. The money is there. Up to now students were pie eyed for Pixar. So for MICA students not perceiving NYC as mecca hardly surprises.
So only the wealthy can afford to be artists, thus subtracting the bite of class alienation , let's say, that can be seen in a Basquiat. There are some other reasons to not go to nyc, as you allude to. The artists coming to nyc all have a degree with the same homogenized post-modernist agenda, and they formulaically follow. Abstractions drone on, conceptual Pop caricatures leer back their smug irony, Casualist mish mashes seem like sterile university exercises, all safely defanged in some art historical niche. Looking at the big picture, the decline of an art center is not unusual, Athens, Rome, Paris. And, there is denial. Recently Art News printed a small account of a show in Rome that intends to say painting or art in NYC is not dead. The problem is they show an example of Jeff Koons antiquity painting as an example of the viability of the tradition, when in fact, his 'paintings' are the very problem, more at how NYC art has become the 21st Century version of L'Ecole des Beaux Artes. They are totally outsourced, poorly designed, anally crafted collages that say nothing about painting since there is no reason for them to be done in paint. One could just as well send the photoshop image to a large inkjet/laser printer and get the same image. No difference. So, for me, it's not just the cost of living, it's the tradition that's closed out. As Paris needed a Monet, so does NYC. Lastly, for what it's worth, I hear the money is leaving for London, closer to oil and gold.

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Posted by Hilary on 04/24/2013 at 4:33 PM

Re: “Don't Move to New York

I am an artist who spends maybe 3/4 working time in a small studio in NYC and shows nationally and internationally, and I would claim that probably about 95% of my art practice is self-funded, i.e. not from patrons, collectors or grants. Most people that know me think I am doing really well and that I make a living off of my work, but when I tell them that I support my work through money I make in other fields, there is often disbelief or even suspicion that I am faking modesty or something. I do what I do as an artist because it is the only thing I really care about, even if I have to do other work I don't want in order to keep doing it.

In my studio building, during normal weekday work hours, the building is empty of artists. They come mostly in during the weekend as they are busy with their day jobs throughout the week. What is interesting is that many of these artists have the larger, more expensive spaces in the building which means they are willing to pay high prices to be in their studios for a few days out of the week. I often wonder if many of them will ever break the surface at such a pace. Kind of gives new meaning to the idea of "Sunday painter."

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Posted by Barit on 04/24/2013 at 4:12 PM

Re: “Don't Move to New York

yeah, its really hard to make it in nyc with all those tears in your eyes. wah wah-- suck it up, babies.. no one said it would be easy.

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Posted by honest abe on 04/24/2013 at 2:14 PM

Re: “Don't Move to New York

I think you mean roughly $28.80 per square foot...$2 per square foot is an uhmazing deal....

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Re: “Are Artists Gentrifying Sunset Park?

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Posted by buyme152 on 04/22/2013 at 10:10 PM

Re: “The Secret Of Your Ooze

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Posted by Hilary on 04/21/2013 at 10:32 AM

Re: “The Secret Of Your Ooze

How unfunny how the daily racism reveals itself...

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Posted by Hulk on 04/19/2013 at 1:30 AM

Re: “The Secret Of Your Ooze

This is too contextual of an issue to get a statistical handle on race differences relating to vaginal cuisine. I guess a blind taste test is in order, yet we also may inquire as to the race/gender make up of the taster as a black women may taste one way to another black female, another way to a black male, and yet another flavor to a white female, etc. And if a woman douches with yogurt treated water, or is pregnant, or is stressed out ...

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Posted by Hilary on 04/15/2013 at 11:39 AM

Re: “Are Artists Gentrifying Sunset Park?

It would have been nice if this account could be a little realistic with numbers on how many actual artists are involved as opposed to musicians, law firm clerks, students, food people, etc., as well as numbers on rent price per square footage, fixtured unfixtured. Comparison to another area would help, Hoboken? Gentrification is hardly a uniform thing as Greenpoint still has remnants of second wave Polish and sWilliamsburg, Bushwick havn't ethnic cleansed the Puerto Ricans yet. However, if this is all we have to write about, then how dismally boring is the art world? Too many privileged art degrees making the same DeKooning/Warhol over and over again?

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Posted by Hilary on 04/12/2013 at 11:18 AM

Re: “Are Artists Gentrifying Sunset Park?

Artist Yuppies Hipsters and Transplants need to understand one thing. The have destroyed the culture of NYC to the point of no return. Gentrification MUST be stopped at all cost!!!
I'm a True native NYC resident with family going back to the 5 points, and I find it appalling when I'm asked by these invaders where I'm from because of my NYC accent.
They need to educate themselves as to what city they're living in and have some fucking respect for it's natives.
Yuppie go home.

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Posted by Todd Louis on 04/12/2013 at 9:21 AM

Re: “The Secret Of Your Ooze

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Posted by manhatposer on 04/10/2013 at 10:37 AM

Re: “Are Artists Gentrifying Sunset Park?

Y'all don't really think that Artists have some special capacity for 'causing' gentrification, over and above non-artist related market operations, do you? Or are artists just that awesome?

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