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Re: “Are Artists Gentrifying Sunset Park?

FYI, Nars didnt/doesnt have a net lease. ICA pays the RE taxes, water/sewer, delivered to NARS a clean, painted loft, with functioning electric service, light fixtures and bathrooms. ICA provides, heat, elevator service, 24 hour security and NARS had a good deal in the process. Maybe they shouldnt have expanded the way they did... Maybe their model is wrong. Dont blame the LL every time. Unfortunately, things never get cheaper.

Posted by TheOtherSide on 05/11/2013 at 12:44 PM

Re: “Don't Move to New York

Your all in the wrong place. You need to move to London. Americans all over the goddam place these days.

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Posted by Rob on 05/02/2013 at 6:26 PM

Re: “Don't Move to New York

@ Austin, maybe instead of dreaming you could actually read the article and do you have any friends?

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Posted by Hilary on 05/02/2013 at 7:27 AM

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I lolz at all the people bitching. This city generates more wealth for its inhabitants and the people making it don't bitch about it on the L magazine web. People move here to follow their dreams, some bust, but hardly all. The stories of grandeur travel far and wide and only those whose dreams are lost bitch about it here.

Never stop dreaming.

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Posted by Austin on 05/02/2013 at 1:32 AM

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@Sam. Yeah, I shouldn't have said curriculum, it's, MICA that is, still the same old Master's crap for undergraduate foundation. The painting department for example is a geriatrics ward, Yates is finally gone because of dementia, Barry Nemmit's the chair has been there for for four decades, Middleman longer, Weiss, George Ciscle, Economos, all these people date from the 70's. What I was getting at was younger faculty in terms of marketing the school and younger administrators feel the future is in programs related to gaming, CGI, anime since painting majors are dwindling and kids growing up with 1st person shooters want to get into that. They feel with the souring of the Fine Art world this will be a trend for artists wanting to have a job and not wanting to move to NYC to wait tables to pay off debt. With no movement happening in NY, why come here except for the free food at all the openings, and even that is changing with the nomadic site type openings. You said you were there a few years ago, how many is that and were you tuned into what was going on in terms of recruitment?

Posted by Hilary on 04/30/2013 at 10:51 AM

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Anytime Paddy wants to investigate the labor exploitation known as an "internship" by galleries and particularly small film boutiques is fine by me. I lived in S. williamsburg last summer rooming with two people who had internships with the innuendo that the place may hire them. BS, when the word hiring came up they would just say they're not hiring and that they were giving you valuable on the job experience. One of these people had taken out a loan on top of other student debt, just to live Manhattan/Brooklyn.

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Posted by Hilary on 04/30/2013 at 10:18 AM

Re: “Don't Move to New York

the real reason not to live in new york is that everyone's a fucking faker just trying to shit their way up the ladder. no one cares for real. preacher tellin the truth and it hurts.

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Posted by jan on 04/29/2013 at 12:53 PM

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Hilary> Regarding MICA, you're right on most counts except one: the MICA I graduated from a few years ago was not aiming the curriculum toward "anime and manga," and I was an illustration student. A few study abroad in Japan every year, or cite Miyazaki as an inspiration (the same way half of the music industry cites Queen as an inspiration?), but professors and peers actively, openly, and ruthlessly discouraged anyone whose work was too derivative. Character design and concept art was instead geared toward production art/visual development, be it for games or Western animation.

Posted by Sam on 04/29/2013 at 8:22 AM

Re: “Are Artists Gentrifying Sunset Park?

We are the New Jews of Brooklyn, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. A people of many lands and many languages, and one faith. Artists. And as the Jews and Italians and Irish swarmed over the City of Brooklyn more than a century ago and destroyed its old Dutch character, so shall we engulf today the whole of the borough and supplant its pizzerias and pubs and kosher delis with artisanal cafes and art galleries. And we are proud of it. What. "You got a problem with that?"

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Posted by ethanpettit on 04/28/2013 at 2:27 PM

Re: “Don't Move to New York

Move to New York if you're an upper-middle class white artist looking to slum it and play poor and look good while doing it!

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Posted by yoyoma on 04/27/2013 at 6:56 PM

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Well yes you need connections and it helps to have a trust fund. Really seems romantic, until you wake up at 40 and realize you are alone, broke, and still looking fo the break.

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Posted by peintre on 04/27/2013 at 5:02 PM

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paddy is a terrible writer lacking flight, and it's because of people like her that the art world is going bankrupt of intellect and challenge but not money. She is all for those abstract smears on sheets going. Give it some content and she'll run away. If it takes more than 5 minutes to process she can't handle.

Creative solutions you can find everywhere. correct, it's not perfect here and it hasn't been in the past 15 years I've been here and it never will be. However, you can do it! Don't let misery find your company. Paddy will always bitch about something. Move on L magazine!

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Posted by ax paddy on 04/26/2013 at 12:14 PM

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No, it's not a 15 year old article. You use to be able to find deals on raw space in Manhattan in a commercially zoned building for 150-200$ a month. Heat was shut off on the weekends, but hey. You could share a loft in Soho with 5 or 6 people for 200 or so a month, plus utilities. I found a rent controlled deal in EV for 400$ a month. What this article is saying is now such deals no longer exist but just a room sharing a kitchen in say a Chinatown is 600 a month, and that's rare. But wages at menial food service jobs have not risen, creating the squeeze. So people are living in New Jersey like Hoboken or moving to places off the NJ RR like the Oranges or Maplewood. Harlem is getting arty. But, like the article says with even LES getting stale or mundane, and Williamsburg/Bushwick not much different, and the fact like for a painter you can get keep up virtually via gallery web sites, the NEED to be in nyc isn't quite there for artists the way it was 20 years ago. So, it's not only don't come to nyc if you are a painter, it's more like you don't need to live there, just visit for a prolong stay periodically. And the art world becoming no different than a retail Tiffany's just adds to the sour taste.

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Posted by Hilary on 04/25/2013 at 4:51 PM

Re: “Don't Move to New York

You don't move here for the deals, you move here for the people. Move to New York. We're all still here.

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Posted by Julie Torres on 04/24/2013 at 8:33 PM

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Bogota is ok for a couple of days, but the pollution is horrible, the city smells like gasoline. Go to Cartagena.

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Posted by danny on 04/24/2013 at 6:31 PM

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Again? This is at least a 15 year old article. I have read dozens like it. You can do better L.

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Posted by humphreyindustries on 04/24/2013 at 6:04 PM

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I am actually moving out of New York. Looking for studios in Bogota. Come on, people, move here with me and we'll try to make this city the next Berlin:)

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Posted by Mira Alibek on 04/24/2013 at 5:28 PM

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Interesting you say this with the fact that NYC has been gaining population overall.You shouldn't put too much on what you hear from MICA grad's, unless they are Hoffberger painting students. MICA, once a backwater school with all eyes on NYC, has recently had a makeover with an aggressive fund raising administration aiming the curriculum toward anime, manga, CGI and gaming graphics. The money is there. Up to now students were pie eyed for Pixar. So for MICA students not perceiving NYC as mecca hardly surprises.
So only the wealthy can afford to be artists, thus subtracting the bite of class alienation , let's say, that can be seen in a Basquiat. There are some other reasons to not go to nyc, as you allude to. The artists coming to nyc all have a degree with the same homogenized post-modernist agenda, and they formulaically follow. Abstractions drone on, conceptual Pop caricatures leer back their smug irony, Casualist mish mashes seem like sterile university exercises, all safely defanged in some art historical niche. Looking at the big picture, the decline of an art center is not unusual, Athens, Rome, Paris. And, there is denial. Recently Art News printed a small account of a show in Rome that intends to say painting or art in NYC is not dead. The problem is they show an example of Jeff Koons antiquity painting as an example of the viability of the tradition, when in fact, his 'paintings' are the very problem, more at how NYC art has become the 21st Century version of L'Ecole des Beaux Artes. They are totally outsourced, poorly designed, anally crafted collages that say nothing about painting since there is no reason for them to be done in paint. One could just as well send the photoshop image to a large inkjet/laser printer and get the same image. No difference. So, for me, it's not just the cost of living, it's the tradition that's closed out. As Paris needed a Monet, so does NYC. Lastly, for what it's worth, I hear the money is leaving for London, closer to oil and gold.

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Posted by Hilary on 04/24/2013 at 4:33 PM

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I am an artist who spends maybe 3/4 working time in a small studio in NYC and shows nationally and internationally, and I would claim that probably about 95% of my art practice is self-funded, i.e. not from patrons, collectors or grants. Most people that know me think I am doing really well and that I make a living off of my work, but when I tell them that I support my work through money I make in other fields, there is often disbelief or even suspicion that I am faking modesty or something. I do what I do as an artist because it is the only thing I really care about, even if I have to do other work I don't want in order to keep doing it.

In my studio building, during normal weekday work hours, the building is empty of artists. They come mostly in during the weekend as they are busy with their day jobs throughout the week. What is interesting is that many of these artists have the larger, more expensive spaces in the building which means they are willing to pay high prices to be in their studios for a few days out of the week. I often wonder if many of them will ever break the surface at such a pace. Kind of gives new meaning to the idea of "Sunday painter."

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Posted by Barit on 04/24/2013 at 4:12 PM

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yeah, its really hard to make it in nyc with all those tears in your eyes. wah wah-- suck it up, babies.. no one said it would be easy.

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Posted by honest abe on 04/24/2013 at 2:14 PM

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