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      <![CDATA[Well if y'all put it that way, I reckon it's so
        
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      <![CDATA[No, no, not now that we've elected Obama. We can condescend to popular culture with impunity, now that we've rejected anti-elitism.<br /><br />This is surely correct, right?
        
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      <![CDATA[Mark'd better quit a'stompin' on that thar new Bond film or the countreh folk'll start hatin' us fer our big words agin.
        
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      <![CDATA[I have a huge crush on Olga Kurylenko.  There, I said it.<br /><br />
        
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      <![CDATA[See right after I typed this I was like, "I should go back and add that yes of course I know that the great American auteurs were working as mainstream commercial genre filmmakers (and that cultural studies and devotion to the lowbrow is how we found that out)." Like, for instance: Michael Mann has the same sometimes stoic, sometimes rowdy sense of male camraderie, and easy command of vernacular film grammar, as Howard Hawks. (Lordy day what an awesome movie is this Miami Vice.)<br /><br />So it's not really a matter of whether low culture is or isn't a suitable vehicle for this kind of content. But, you know, it should be judged on the basis of how well it actually does it. (In a lot of ways Batman-Bergman is a terrible pullquote because it implies that there is a high-art/low-art -- or "films" vs. "movies," ich -- dichotomy. I prefer to use the quote to imply that there's a difference in execution.) So:<br /><br />"Is it really so terrible to inject a little bit of recognizable human behavior into an action movie, just because there's a French movie playing on three screens that is probably a better family comedy-drama than Quantum of Solace?"<br /><br />No, but it is pretty terrible to pretend that the movie helping to restrict the French movie to just three screens is any kind of substitute for what it provides. People wouldn't be complaining about the seriousness of Quantum of Solace if it'd pulled it off -- everybody dug Casino Royale. (Probably because everybody's crushing on Eva Green, but still.)
        
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      <![CDATA[People who say "this is Batman, not Bergman" always strike me as the type of people who can't really tell (or care to tell) the difference between the Adam West camp version and, say, the animated series, or the best comics. It's usually used to imply that any movie with any kind of "low culture" connection without pronounced, self-aware camp overtones is unbearably pretentious.  Is it really so terrible to inject a little bit of recognizable human behavior into an action movie, just because there's a French movie playing on three screens that is probably a better family comedy-drama than Quantum of Solace?<br /><br />(That's a general problem I have with the TONY film critics.  They're awfully highfalutin' considering they work for a magazine that does a sex issue three times a year.)
        
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      <![CDATA[Did they actually say her full name in the movie? I feel like they didn't, like they were embarrassed or something.<br /><br />I dunno, I see your point about "where you know a bit more about Bond's emotions," it's just that I... don't really see the point of knowing a bit more about Bond's emotions. I mean, A Christmas Tale opened this past weekend, too, and that's more than enough movie for all your emotional needs. Not to get all high culture/low culture about it, but, you know, I think in this era of Cultural Studies (next hot thesis topic: video games!) we sometimes muddy the waters a bit. Or, as David Fear said, "this is Batman, not Bergman." And there is a difference. <br /><br />I think too that this would be an easier thing to keep a handle on if the average 21st century action director was, you know, a competent action director. But he's not, he's Bret Ratner. (Come back to the five and dime, Martin Campbell; you handled some great sequences in Casion Royale. It's not much, but it's everything.)<br /><br />P.S. Because it seems worth mentioning, I don't remember caring much for the Brosnan ones I saw, either; they seemed gimmicky rather than genuinely diverting a la the Connery ones. I do like Brosnan, though, primarily as a light comedian.
        
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      <![CDATA[I think there is a bit of a damned-if-you-whatever at work here RE: Haggis and Forster (or whoever winds up making these movies), especially when trying to change the pace of the series.  If you hire a hack-for-hire, there are complaints about the same-old effect, with the producers hiring someone to design a product, not direct a movie.  But if you hire someone really good, you'd get snorting about why so-and-so would waste his time on something as depressingly impersonal and spirit-crushing as Bond.<br /><br />So if you hire someone in the middle -- which is basically who should be doing Bond movies as far as I'm concerned, these not-quite-hacks who nonetheless don't make interesting movies even close to automatically -- you get hit with "what, I'm supposed to take this seriously now?! Good God."<br /><br />I know we critics are supposed to abhor the middle ground, but it seems to me that's exactly what's warranted here.  It's not an arty reinvention that takes Bond far too seriously, but it's a little more human than the cartoonier Moore/Brosnan years.  So you get a director who's tasteful and fairly professional but not exactly known for his galvanizing vision.  And you get an action movie where you know a little bit more about Bond's emotions but it's not so self-serious that he doesn't jump out of planes and sleep with girls named Strawberry Fields.
        
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      <![CDATA[4. In fairness I think the complaints have less to do with Quantum's inferiority to the Bourne movies' perceived awesomeness -- which eludes me -- than with the sheer nakedness of Quantum's derivativeness. Thus, 2. Quantum is edited to recapture the feel of the Bourne movies, with no spatial sense whatsoever. Seriously, this movie is edited so terribly, I almost wonder whether the chase scenes are actually assembled from all the non-fitting shots they cut out of the chase scenes, and when they figured out the problem it was too late to do anything about it.<br /><br />As for 5, 3, 1, I dunno, I tend to agree with A.O. Scott inasmuch as if I wanted to go see a "good" movie about the "serious" "emotions" of a "relatable" "character", I would not so much go see the movie written by Paul Haggis and directed by Marc Forster.<br /><br />You are correct about Dan Craig's dreamy eyes however.
        
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