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Well, publicity, is a huge deal in terms of who even has a chance to keep going as a working band. Do you think that's corrupting? Just a necessity?
King Mike (bass): It's all about who you pay.
MP: It's a money thing. You pay somebody enough money and they can get you into anything. And that's sad. You think of all the good bands you get to see when you're on tour, who don't have those resources and deserve to be in magazines. They deserve it. They write good songs too, but they don't have the scratch. That's a shame.
JD: That's where our label, Don Giovanni, came in. They were willing to put up the money to push us out there. They said, "People are going to love it if they can find out about it."
When people ask you what kind of music you play, what do you say? Punk? Hard rock?
JD: Rock 'n' roll.
KM: I'm gonna start saying hard rock.
MP: That's a good one.
Well, I mean, it's not a super en vogue genre at the moment.
MP: Hard rock? I mean what is hard rock?
Sabbath? Dinosaur Jr.'s hard rock, right? ¨I mean they'd have to be...
KM: But they were just called an indie band because they were on an indie label.
But what people call indie rock now, seems a long way from that.
MP: Yeah, most of it is electronica. Or really orchestrated.
KM: It changes over the years.
MP: It's ok, none of these words mean anything. Who really cares? Music. Instruments.
JD: It's kind of interesting. I think DIY is now getting that sort of connotation.
MP: Yeah, it's gonna be the new grunge. Wait 'till they write the book!
JD: It's the new indie. It means, like, a sound. A way of acting.
MP: It means nothing. "They sound DIY."
JD: We've gotten that recently.
I'm not sure that's a complement exactly.
MP: I thought it was a compliment, but it's just funny. That's not what it means.
JD: People said that recently, in interviews, "You've got that DIY sound."
MP: "Sounds like you did all this yourselves, I can just hear it..."
Who do you take inspiration from as a vocalist?
MP: Hmmm, good question... PJ Harvey, Jeff Buckley...
I'm sorry, rum?
MP: No, like "Sublime with Rome."
JD: Sublime did a reunion tour, and the lead singer and songwriter and guitar player are dead, so they got this guy Rome. They billed the tour as "Sublime with Rome."
MP: So we've been replacing all kinds of other people with Rome. Like, Nirvana with Rome, or, I dunno, Alice and Chains with Rome.
Sublime was the worst. I lived on the West Coast around that time, were they huge on the East Coast too?
MP: Oh, they were huge. A big K-Rock band.
KM: They're better now that they've got Rome.
MP: He's just this dumpy little dude wearing a basketball jersey and gym shorts. The funniest thing is that we were watching some video of Sublime, and the two guys who were actually in Sublime weren't in the video at all—it was just Rome! Who wants to look at Rome? Anyway... good vocals.